TED Radio Hour: Inspire to Action Script May 18 2018
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So there are certain people who have this ability to motivate us to take up a cause to follow them or want to create change but that is some leaders like Nelson Mandela or Toronto Burke have the ability to inspire people and when does that influence actually spark others to take action well, we explore all those ideas in this episode it's called inspired to action and it originally aired in May of 2018.
So there are certain people who have this ability to motivate us to take up a cause to follow them or want to create change but that is some leaders like Nelson Mandela or Toronto Burke have the ability to inspire people and when does that influence actually spark others to take action well, we explore all those ideas in this episode it's called inspired to action and it originally aired in May of 2018.
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Head radio hour. Each week round-breaking TED talks, okay technology entertainment design is everything that's changing. I've never known the delivered and dead conferences around the world if the human imagination we've had to believe in impassable things that's true nature of reality beckons from just beyond those talks those ideas adapted for radio.
Head radio hour. Each week round-breaking TED talks, okay technology entertainment design is everything that's changing. I've never known the delivered and dead conferences around the world if the human imagination we've had to believe in impassable things that's true nature of reality beckons from just beyond those talks those ideas adapted for radio.
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Guy rose, so have you ever wondered what? Had to start a movement short while ago astonishing news from East Germany, or the East German authorities have said in essence of the Berlin wall doesn't mean anything anymore and movement that actually changes a culture or a society who's the Mandela with the Nelson Mandela a free man.
Guy rose, so have you ever wondered what? Had to start a movement short while ago astonishing news from East Germany, or the East German authorities have said in essence of the Berlin wall doesn't mean anything anymore and movement that actually changes a culture or a society who's the Mandela with the Nelson Mandela a free man.
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Taking his first steps into a news of Africa something that inspires people to take to the streets the Arab Springs spreads to Egypt celebrations as it was announced president of ours 30 year rule had come to an end.
Taking his first steps into a news of Africa something that inspires people to take to the streets the Arab Springs spreads to Egypt celebrations as it was announced president of ours 30 year rule had come to an end.
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Movement to me as a revolution and I teach world history so I teach revolutions it's a momentous change in ideas and culture and attitudes this is Diane Wolk Rogers and as she mentioned she teaches world history to high school students and Diane says most movements have a, Is in common that make them successful.
Movement to me as a revolution and I teach world history so I teach revolutions it's a momentous change in ideas and culture and attitudes this is Diane Wolk Rogers and as she mentioned she teaches world history to high school students and Diane says most movements have a, Is in common that make them successful.
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You need to have a core group of leaders who can unite a population who can organize the protest in the marches who are eagerly engaged and have the resources to push this movement forward. Not too long ago Diane unexpectedly went from teaching her students about the history of movements to watching one unfold.
You need to have a core group of leaders who can unite a population who can organize the protest in the marches who are eagerly engaged and have the resources to push this movement forward. Not too long ago Diane unexpectedly went from teaching her students about the history of movements to watching one unfold.
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A movement that happened to be led by those very same students.
A movement that happened to be led by those very same students.
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Here's Diane will Rogers. I teach history at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. In February 14th, 2018, my school experience one of the worst math school shootings in American history. I don't remember everything but I do remember I went into crisis mode. I lined up the kids. I held up a sign so they could follow me through the hall just like a fire drill.
Here's Diane will Rogers. I teach history at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School. In February 14th, 2018, my school experience one of the worst math school shootings in American history. I don't remember everything but I do remember I went into crisis mode. I lined up the kids. I held up a sign so they could follow me through the hall just like a fire drill.
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I heard shots from one direction. We made it outside. We made it to safety. How can we stop the senseless violence? This was the most difficult question. I've been asked. And if you're not sure where to start look to my students as role models, they are armed with incredible communication skills and a sense of citizenship that I find so inspiring.
I heard shots from one direction. We made it outside. We made it to safety. How can we stop the senseless violence? This was the most difficult question. I've been asked. And if you're not sure where to start look to my students as role models, they are armed with incredible communication skills and a sense of citizenship that I find so inspiring.
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There is a widespread. Popular anger at an injustice. That's why I say it's a revolutionary. It's caused by exploitation. This time it's of our youth. It's of our public school kids.
There is a widespread. Popular anger at an injustice. That's why I say it's a revolutionary. It's caused by exploitation. This time it's of our youth. It's of our public school kids.
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Show inspired to action. About what it takes to inspire people to take up a cause or follow a leader and produce real change and why some movements succeed and others don't. And Dan will Rogers says her students from Parkland remind her of leaders who inspired some of the greatest movements for social change.
Show inspired to action. About what it takes to inspire people to take up a cause or follow a leader and produce real change and why some movements succeed and others don't. And Dan will Rogers says her students from Parkland remind her of leaders who inspired some of the greatest movements for social change.
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Not only are these kids really bright and have terrific communications goes but when I talked about emotional intelligence, they know how to yell without yelling. Were there in Washington and you saw Emma and how she took that time to be silent. That to me was as powerful as Dr.
Not only are these kids really bright and have terrific communications goes but when I talked about emotional intelligence, they know how to yell without yelling. Were there in Washington and you saw Emma and how she took that time to be silent. That to me was as powerful as Dr.
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Martin Luther King's I have a dream speech because when I went there at first I'm thinking they're not getting it they're not getting it and then when Emma got out there and she said nothing and she forced people to start to feel and to listen to their own thoughts.
Martin Luther King's I have a dream speech because when I went there at first I'm thinking they're not getting it they're not getting it and then when Emma got out there and she said nothing and she forced people to start to feel and to listen to their own thoughts.
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That's yelling without yelling and I was looking around at the crowd. I go yeah. People are thinking now. People want change now. These are public school kids engaged in the issue of gun regulation and they're endeavor has moved our hearts. And they shouldn't have to do this on their own.
That's yelling without yelling and I was looking around at the crowd. I go yeah. People are thinking now. People want change now. These are public school kids engaged in the issue of gun regulation and they're endeavor has moved our hearts. And they shouldn't have to do this on their own.
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They're asking you they're asking all of us to get involved. This isn't a spectator sport. So. What's the right answer? I don't know. Listen, I'm no gun control expert. I teach the humanities. To be human is to learn and to be part of a civilization is to share your knowledge.
They're asking you they're asking all of us to get involved. This isn't a spectator sport. So. What's the right answer? I don't know. Listen, I'm no gun control expert. I teach the humanities. To be human is to learn and to be part of a civilization is to share your knowledge.
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This kind of honest brave and sincere engagement is what I asked of my students what I expect of myself as a teacher and what I demand of you now. When you when you look at? Political landscape in the United States. Especially when it comes to guns in America do you think that that the situation can actually change and do you think that this time it's different?
This kind of honest brave and sincere engagement is what I asked of my students what I expect of myself as a teacher and what I demand of you now. When you when you look at? Political landscape in the United States. Especially when it comes to guns in America do you think that that the situation can actually change and do you think that this time it's different?
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Absolutely, it's different. Change over time is occurred and that's one of the big things we have to teach an AP world history cultural attitudes have changed over time at one of the wakes for one of my students. I was talking to the brother and he sat there and he completely understood and said, you know, Fifty years ago everybody in America smoked.
Absolutely, it's different. Change over time is occurred and that's one of the big things we have to teach an AP world history cultural attitudes have changed over time at one of the wakes for one of my students. I was talking to the brother and he sat there and he completely understood and said, you know, Fifty years ago everybody in America smoked.
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Nobody would have thought that there'd be a day where you can smoke and a restaurant or on an airplane or even in a park. But, you know, look what happened. And I think what's really interesting about this group is you know, they're not willing to wait. The adults didn't enact those changes and now they're saying we're gonna change the situation now.
Nobody would have thought that there'd be a day where you can smoke and a restaurant or on an airplane or even in a park. But, you know, look what happened. And I think what's really interesting about this group is you know, they're not willing to wait. The adults didn't enact those changes and now they're saying we're gonna change the situation now.
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They're not sitting around they're not waiting for others. They've jumped on it. Diane will crutchers is a history teacher at Marjory Stoneman. Douglas. High School in Parkland, Florida. You can see her entire talk at Ted.com. On the show today inspire to action. Ideas about rallying people to a cause bigger than themselves and building that into a movement.
They're not sitting around they're not waiting for others. They've jumped on it. Diane will crutchers is a history teacher at Marjory Stoneman. Douglas. High School in Parkland, Florida. You can see her entire talk at Ted.com. On the show today inspire to action. Ideas about rallying people to a cause bigger than themselves and building that into a movement.
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The movement is when people move. When they choose to go from here to there, this is Simon Sinek, he's a behavioral researcher. Of the book start with, why? And here to there can be defined in any way, whether it's social change or political change or the matter in which we conduct business, but that the people choose to change the way we do things from this to that.
The movement is when people move. When they choose to go from here to there, this is Simon Sinek, he's a behavioral researcher. Of the book start with, why? And here to there can be defined in any way, whether it's social change or political change or the matter in which we conduct business, but that the people choose to change the way we do things from this to that.
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So yeah movements can come from anywhere but they have to be voluntary. So why do some of them work and others don't Well, I am interested in to why people do what they do and why is it that certain times in certain people are able to move others? You know, they were as plenty of civil.
So yeah movements can come from anywhere but they have to be voluntary. So why do some of them work and others don't Well, I am interested in to why people do what they do and why is it that certain times in certain people are able to move others? You know, they were as plenty of civil.
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Rights violations prior to marketing with their king. And there was no shortage of knowledge and personalities who knew what needed to be done. And there were even great orators. Prior to Martin Luther King, so how can I took until the 1960s for the movement really to grip?
Rights violations prior to marketing with their king. And there was no shortage of knowledge and personalities who knew what needed to be done. And there were even great orators. Prior to Martin Luther King, so how can I took until the 1960s for the movement really to grip?
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Live up to true meaning of its green. We hold these. To be self-evident that all men are created. And I think a large part of it is remember as social animals communication is important to us and how things are expressed really matters and we can scare people into doing things and though they may act.
Live up to true meaning of its green. We hold these. To be self-evident that all men are created. And I think a large part of it is remember as social animals communication is important to us and how things are expressed really matters and we can scare people into doing things and though they may act.
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You don't know what we stand for we only know what we stand against and so I found remarkable the way Martin thinking. He spoke in terms of what the future looks like in a positive way in terms so clear that we could imagine it with him.
You don't know what we stand for we only know what we stand against and so I found remarkable the way Martin thinking. He spoke in terms of what the future looks like in a positive way in terms so clear that we could imagine it with him.
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Living in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character I have a dream today you did just simply show up and rail against you know, he spoke for a different world how to go from here to there and he so beautifully described with there is.
Living in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character I have a dream today you did just simply show up and rail against you know, he spoke for a different world how to go from here to there and he so beautifully described with there is.
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And I think the great leaders regardless of where they come from and whether it's social change or business change, they are really expert describing of where we're going what year to their looks like. Here's Simon sine on the Ted stage in the summer of 1963. 250,000 people showed up on the mole in Washington to hear.
And I think the great leaders regardless of where they come from and whether it's social change or business change, they are really expert describing of where we're going what year to their looks like. Here's Simon sine on the Ted stage in the summer of 1963. 250,000 people showed up on the mole in Washington to hear.
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Dr. King's speak. They sent out no invitations. And there was no website to check the date. How do you do that? Well Dr. King wasn't the only man in America who suffered in a pre-civil rights America, in fact some of his ideas were bad but he had a gift he didn't go around telling people what needed to change in America, you know, he went around and told people what he believed.
Dr. King's speak. They sent out no invitations. And there was no website to check the date. How do you do that? Well Dr. King wasn't the only man in America who suffered in a pre-civil rights America, in fact some of his ideas were bad but he had a gift he didn't go around telling people what needed to change in America, you know, he went around and told people what he believed.
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I believe I believe I believe he told people and people who believed what he believed took his cause and they made it their own and they told people and some of those people created structures to get the word out to even more people. And lo and behold $250,000 people showed up on the right day on the right time to hear him speak how many of them showed up for him?
I believe I believe I believe he told people and people who believed what he believed took his cause and they made it their own and they told people and some of those people created structures to get the word out to even more people. And lo and behold $250,000 people showed up on the right day on the right time to hear him speak how many of them showed up for him?
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Zero. They showed up for themselves it's what they believed about America that got them to travel in a bus for eight hours to stand in the Sun in Washington for in the middle of August it's what they believed and it wasn't about black versus white 25% of the audience was white Dr.
Zero. They showed up for themselves it's what they believed about America that got them to travel in a bus for eight hours to stand in the Sun in Washington for in the middle of August it's what they believed and it wasn't about black versus white 25% of the audience was white Dr.
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King believed that there were two types of laws in this world those that are made by a higher authority and those that are made by man and not until all the laws that are made by man. Are consistent with the laws that are made by the higher authority will we live in a just world?
King believed that there were two types of laws in this world those that are made by a higher authority and those that are made by man and not until all the laws that are made by man. Are consistent with the laws that are made by the higher authority will we live in a just world?
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It's just so happens that the civil rights movement was the perfect thing to help him bring his cause to life. We followed not him not for him, but for ourselves and by the way, he gave the eye of a dream speech not the eye have a plan speech.
It's just so happens that the civil rights movement was the perfect thing to help him bring his cause to life. We followed not him not for him, but for ourselves and by the way, he gave the eye of a dream speech not the eye have a plan speech.
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You human nature that motivates us to action. Is it do we need to be inspired? We are tribal animals and one of the things that ensures the success of the tribe and indeed the species is our sense of belonging and belonging comes from a common sense of values and beliefs and sometimes those things are understood but they start to have scale the ability to scale when when they're directed and when someone does actually lead us and can articulate where we're going.
You human nature that motivates us to action. Is it do we need to be inspired? We are tribal animals and one of the things that ensures the success of the tribe and indeed the species is our sense of belonging and belonging comes from a common sense of values and beliefs and sometimes those things are understood but they start to have scale the ability to scale when when they're directed and when someone does actually lead us and can articulate where we're going.
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And so some we think about great movements like the civil rights movement or the anti apartheid movement. South Africa, right or even movement like the the Russian Revolution, right? I mean, there were leaders who inspired people to take action. Like what is a leader have what why do some people have that ability to inspire?
And so some we think about great movements like the civil rights movement or the anti apartheid movement. South Africa, right or even movement like the the Russian Revolution, right? I mean, there were leaders who inspired people to take action. Like what is a leader have what why do some people have that ability to inspire?
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What is it that they have? Well, first of all, they have deep undying belief in something bigger than themselves and the best leaders are actually the best followers because they don't see themselves as the thing to be followed they actually see themselves as following a cause bigger than themselves.
What is it that they have? Well, first of all, they have deep undying belief in something bigger than themselves and the best leaders are actually the best followers because they don't see themselves as the thing to be followed they actually see themselves as following a cause bigger than themselves.
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They actually see themselves in service to something else. It's the rest of us who choose to follow them.
They actually see themselves in service to something else. It's the rest of us who choose to follow them.
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The moment. More of the. Leaders and what it takes to become one. On the show today inspired to action and guy rose and you're listening to the TED Radio. Hour from NPR.
The moment. More of the. Leaders and what it takes to become one. On the show today inspired to action and guy rose and you're listening to the TED Radio. Hour from NPR.
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It's the TED Radio Hour from NPR. I'm Guy Ross. And on the show today inspire to action and just before the break we were hearing from author and behavioral researcher Simon Sinek. In Simon was explaining why certain movements like the Civil Rights Movement inspire people to change the world and why others never seem to catch fire.
It's the TED Radio Hour from NPR. I'm Guy Ross. And on the show today inspire to action and just before the break we were hearing from author and behavioral researcher Simon Sinek. In Simon was explaining why certain movements like the Civil Rights Movement inspire people to change the world and why others never seem to catch fire.
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The ones that fizzle out I think very often we're driven by marketing and money In other words it's a little bit like advertising you know companies know that if you spend money on advertising you'll see your sales go up, and if you stop spending money on advertising you'll see the sales go down.
The ones that fizzle out I think very often we're driven by marketing and money In other words it's a little bit like advertising you know companies know that if you spend money on advertising you'll see your sales go up, and if you stop spending money on advertising you'll see the sales go down.
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Yeah. And I think the movements that survive are the ones that are driven by the people and people who hear a vision of the future that they believe in they find some sense of belonging. They take that cause and make it their own and they themselves become leaders in their own communities.
Yeah. And I think the movements that survive are the ones that are driven by the people and people who hear a vision of the future that they believe in they find some sense of belonging. They take that cause and make it their own and they themselves become leaders in their own communities.
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They themselves will choose to spread a message to to other people. You know, there are challenges that we we face that are so huge like like climate change, right? I mean climate change is something you could argue is is on the order of the greatest challenges we've ever had to face.
They themselves will choose to spread a message to to other people. You know, there are challenges that we we face that are so huge like like climate change, right? I mean climate change is something you could argue is is on the order of the greatest challenges we've ever had to face.
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And and yet it doesn't seem like like the masses around the world have been inspired to take action. So why I mean well why do you think that is Well first of all when there's change or things are different or difficult it's easy to stoke fear and the best way to to beat pessimism is with optimism and I think one of the challenges that we face with all of these what should be movements but don't seem to be movements is a we don't know who the leaders of the movement are.
And and yet it doesn't seem like like the masses around the world have been inspired to take action. So why I mean well why do you think that is Well first of all when there's change or things are different or difficult it's easy to stoke fear and the best way to to beat pessimism is with optimism and I think one of the challenges that we face with all of these what should be movements but don't seem to be movements is a we don't know who the leaders of the movement are.
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Who is articulating the message? We don't have anybody who's preaching a vision of the future that is brighter and different than the one that we live in now or they do it in terms that are really hard to understand. They're so big and so. Amorphous that they lose tangibility You know like make the planet better Like I how do you even conceive of that Protect the environment.
Who is articulating the message? We don't have anybody who's preaching a vision of the future that is brighter and different than the one that we live in now or they do it in terms that are really hard to understand. They're so big and so. Amorphous that they lose tangibility You know like make the planet better Like I how do you even conceive of that Protect the environment.
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And at fundamentally what makes a movement a movement is you put it into terms that are individual that we wouldn't style an allegedly said the death of one man is a tragedy and the death of a million is a statistic. And the problem is the quote unquote leaders of our modern movements seem to speak in statistics.
And at fundamentally what makes a movement a movement is you put it into terms that are individual that we wouldn't style an allegedly said the death of one man is a tragedy and the death of a million is a statistic. And the problem is the quote unquote leaders of our modern movements seem to speak in statistics.
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And it doesn't resonate. I mean go back to Martin Luther King. You know, I have a dream that one day a little black children will hold hands on a playground with little white. Children will be able to join hands with little white boys and right girls as sisters and brothers.
And it doesn't resonate. I mean go back to Martin Luther King. You know, I have a dream that one day a little black children will hold hands on a playground with little white. Children will be able to join hands with little white boys and right girls as sisters and brothers.
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I have a dream. He didn't say that we will all get along and all the races will you know feel like they're together he talked. You can literally imagine a little black child holding hands with a little white child on a playground we can imagine. And so what we do is we use these individual stories, whether they're true, or whether they're hypothetical as metaphors for the big idea.
I have a dream. He didn't say that we will all get along and all the races will you know feel like they're together he talked. You can literally imagine a little black child holding hands with a little white child on a playground we can imagine. And so what we do is we use these individual stories, whether they're true, or whether they're hypothetical as metaphors for the big idea.
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Can relate to the small story because we can relate ourselves to the small story.
Can relate to the small story because we can relate ourselves to the small story.
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And since the politicians now in the comprehensive 12-point plants are not inspiring anybody. Because they were leaders and there are those who lead leaders hold a position of power or authority, but those who lead inspire us. With other individuals or organizations we follow those who lead because we have to because we want to we follow those who lead not for them.
And since the politicians now in the comprehensive 12-point plants are not inspiring anybody. Because they were leaders and there are those who lead leaders hold a position of power or authority, but those who lead inspire us. With other individuals or organizations we follow those who lead because we have to because we want to we follow those who lead not for them.
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But for ourselves.
But for ourselves.
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Do you think that we are at a place the sort of crossroads in human history where because of the dissemination of information the accessed information that paradoxically even though we can connect in so many ways more easily than ever before it's harder for people to rally around one thing for massive numbers of people to rally around one thing.
Do you think that we are at a place the sort of crossroads in human history where because of the dissemination of information the accessed information that paradoxically even though we can connect in so many ways more easily than ever before it's harder for people to rally around one thing for massive numbers of people to rally around one thing.
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What is more inspiring? You know connecting with somebody on a an online forum about common beliefs or showing up to a rally and holding hands with a stranger hugging someone and crying in the face of injustice.
What is more inspiring? You know connecting with somebody on a an online forum about common beliefs or showing up to a rally and holding hands with a stranger hugging someone and crying in the face of injustice.
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Human experiences to look someone in the eye to cry with someone to hold their hands. Show up and feel a part of something when you show up and they're a throngs of people. Don't know them and in any other circumstance you would never be friends with them but for the fact that they showed up we become brothers and sisters in that moment and those experiences inspire us to do it again and we will get on another train or a bus or a car and we will drive another seven and eight hours simply to stand in the Sun for hours to say, I believe.
Human experiences to look someone in the eye to cry with someone to hold their hands. Show up and feel a part of something when you show up and they're a throngs of people. Don't know them and in any other circumstance you would never be friends with them but for the fact that they showed up we become brothers and sisters in that moment and those experiences inspire us to do it again and we will get on another train or a bus or a car and we will drive another seven and eight hours simply to stand in the Sun for hours to say, I believe.
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I believe. We're going to stand together incredibly human experiences that make movements.
I believe. We're going to stand together incredibly human experiences that make movements.
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Other assignment is talk about how great leaders inspire action is the third most viewed. TED talk of all time, you can see that and his other talk at Ted.com. On the show today inspired to action ideas about what inspires people to follow leaders and then become leaders themselves like in the case of Iceland and a woman named victus fin book adapter.
Other assignment is talk about how great leaders inspire action is the third most viewed. TED talk of all time, you can see that and his other talk at Ted.com. On the show today inspired to action ideas about what inspires people to follow leaders and then become leaders themselves like in the case of Iceland and a woman named victus fin book adapter.
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She was an incredibly advised intelligent but yet humble woman I go out in the country and meet everybody and we have wonderful time together take care so much about the people that she would sleep in people's homes instead of going to hotels because they want to know that the president knows how they live she was a single mom and see how young daughter as well usually there are men doing these jobs and usually for a presidency there's a couple she would frequently be asked as a single woman how she was going to be able to be.
She was an incredibly advised intelligent but yet humble woman I go out in the country and meet everybody and we have wonderful time together take care so much about the people that she would sleep in people's homes instead of going to hotels because they want to know that the president knows how they live she was a single mom and see how young daughter as well usually there are men doing these jobs and usually for a presidency there's a couple she would frequently be asked as a single woman how she was going to be able to be.
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President. Devoter. I wife would organize parties and and be by her side. Apparently my people saw something in me that they thought could be good as a Christian. In 1980 Iceland made history by electing the country's first female president. Iceland's new president is victus fin bugger the first woman to hold that post in Iceland's history.
President. Devoter. I wife would organize parties and and be by her side. Apparently my people saw something in me that they thought could be good as a Christian. In 1980 Iceland made history by electing the country's first female president. Iceland's new president is victus fin bugger the first woman to hold that post in Iceland's history.
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The world's only democratically elected female head of state. She goes back then Holla Thomas' daughter was just. A little girl. I remember on the day on the morning when the votes were in. I will never forget this picture when she steps out on the balcony of her own home with her daughter by her side and a home lifted dress and some woman had knitted for her and center as he had just won.
The world's only democratically elected female head of state. She goes back then Holla Thomas' daughter was just. A little girl. I remember on the day on the morning when the votes were in. I will never forget this picture when she steps out on the balcony of her own home with her daughter by her side and a home lifted dress and some woman had knitted for her and center as he had just won.
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And this picture of the ways he created people and sets of. More homely manner with her daughter next to her. Was forever is the picture in my mind because it was so different from every other exhibition. I had seen of power and leadership. And so this was a time where you had emerging female leaders around the world yet Indira Gandhi and golden my year and Margaret Thatcher and President Vick this was was elected in Iceland.
And this picture of the ways he created people and sets of. More homely manner with her daughter next to her. Was forever is the picture in my mind because it was so different from every other exhibition. I had seen of power and leadership. And so this was a time where you had emerging female leaders around the world yet Indira Gandhi and golden my year and Margaret Thatcher and President Vick this was was elected in Iceland.
23:58
Yeah since it was the first one to be. Democratically elected in a direct election to all the people but she was an amazing president and so I grew up but during her 16 years in office, and I don't think I'm alone when I say C inspired us. See inspired us by how she did leadership.
Yeah since it was the first one to be. Democratically elected in a direct election to all the people but she was an amazing president and so I grew up but during her 16 years in office, and I don't think I'm alone when I say C inspired us. See inspired us by how she did leadership.
24:17
She cared about the environments secured. About women and an amendment's impact on society and she cared about culture and languages and our ability to talk to each other and and see had sets a clear vision in these areas and sea likes to tell the story of how her presidency did not just influence young girls, but also boys because after she had been in office for a couple of terms a young boy came to see her once and said madam this can boys also grow up to be presidents.
She cared about the environments secured. About women and an amendment's impact on society and she cared about culture and languages and our ability to talk to each other and and see had sets a clear vision in these areas and sea likes to tell the story of how her presidency did not just influence young girls, but also boys because after she had been in office for a couple of terms a young boy came to see her once and said madam this can boys also grow up to be presidents.
24:47
And you can imagine that that little boy's shift in perspective was probably happening to hundreds even thousands of kids throughout Iceland including event 11 year old how a Thomas daughter. My friends tell me that I said in school around that time that I was going to run for President one day.
And you can imagine that that little boy's shift in perspective was probably happening to hundreds even thousands of kids throughout Iceland including event 11 year old how a Thomas daughter. My friends tell me that I said in school around that time that I was going to run for President one day.
25:07
I don't remember saying that but I do remember very well this feeling that this was historic that this was different and that this was better for all of us. There was something about the way see carried herself and how she appealed to all of us that made me feel incredibly proud.
I don't remember saying that but I do remember very well this feeling that this was historic that this was different and that this was better for all of us. There was something about the way see carried herself and how she appealed to all of us that made me feel incredibly proud.
25:30
How I grew up to be a pretty important public figure in Iceland. She's a businesswoman and entrepreneur she helped start regular university and then she co-founded a female run investment firm and in 2016 a Facebook petition got started encouraging. Hala to run for president. And to be honest, my first reaction was Who am I to run for president?
How I grew up to be a pretty important public figure in Iceland. She's a businesswoman and entrepreneur she helped start regular university and then she co-founded a female run investment firm and in 2016 a Facebook petition got started encouraging. Hala to run for president. And to be honest, my first reaction was Who am I to run for president?
25:55
It's a huge responsibility. It's a big leadership job. I was full of self-doubt and what women often suffer from imposter syndrome, you know, I didn't think I was good enough and I think it's a normal question to ask yourself who am I to serve but I think a better question to think more about is who are we not to?
It's a huge responsibility. It's a big leadership job. I was full of self-doubt and what women often suffer from imposter syndrome, you know, I didn't think I was good enough and I think it's a normal question to ask yourself who am I to serve but I think a better question to think more about is who are we not to?
26:16
If we really care and we think the world is not right and global issues need to be solved. If we really believe, This then I think those of us who do need to ask ourselves what am I doing because we can't point out the window and ask other people to solve it.
If we really care and we think the world is not right and global issues need to be solved. If we really believe, This then I think those of us who do need to ask ourselves what am I doing because we can't point out the window and ask other people to solve it.
26:34
We all need to kind of look in the mirror and release the leader that sits inside of us. That comment starter picks up the rest of the story from the dead stage. It was the journey of my life. It started with potentially as many as 40 candidates. It boiled down to nine candidates qualifying and ultimately the race came down to four of us three men and me.
We all need to kind of look in the mirror and release the leader that sits inside of us. That comment starter picks up the rest of the story from the dead stage. It was the journey of my life. It started with potentially as many as 40 candidates. It boiled down to nine candidates qualifying and ultimately the race came down to four of us three men and me.
27:08
But that's not all the drama yet. So on May 9th 45 days before election day, it was not looking too good for me. The polls had me at 1%. Mean that that was a humbling day guy. I I bet I bet I mean. Start to have second thoughts. I didn't but everyone around me more and less pain.
But that's not all the drama yet. So on May 9th 45 days before election day, it was not looking too good for me. The polls had me at 1%. Mean that that was a humbling day guy. I I bet I bet I mean. Start to have second thoughts. I didn't but everyone around me more and less pain.
27:38
But I think it was the best day of the campaign for me. And the reason is very simple because when you are that vulnerable when you're at one percent in the cold, you have nothing to lose. Yeah, and so on that day. I stopped listening to all the people who told me I should do this or that to be presidential and I started listening to my own inner voice and really found the fire in the belly that made me make that decision and I ran the campaign in line with who I am and what my High principles and values are.
But I think it was the best day of the campaign for me. And the reason is very simple because when you are that vulnerable when you're at one percent in the cold, you have nothing to lose. Yeah, and so on that day. I stopped listening to all the people who told me I should do this or that to be presidential and I started listening to my own inner voice and really found the fire in the belly that made me make that decision and I ran the campaign in line with who I am and what my High principles and values are.
28:12
So it would be an understatement to say that I had to work extremely hard to get my seat at the table and access to television because the network decided that they would only include those with 2.5% or more in the polls in the first TV debate. I found out on the afternoon of the first TV debate that I would participate along with a three-man and I found out on life TV that I came in at exactly 2.5% on the day of the bed.
So it would be an understatement to say that I had to work extremely hard to get my seat at the table and access to television because the network decided that they would only include those with 2.5% or more in the polls in the first TV debate. I found out on the afternoon of the first TV debate that I would participate along with a three-man and I found out on life TV that I came in at exactly 2.5% on the day of the bed.
28:52
So the four most challenges I had to face on overcome on this journey had to do with media muscle and money. It proved harder for me to both get access on airtime and media. As a matter of fact the leading candidate appeared in broadcast media 87 times in the months leading up to the elections, whereas I appeared 31 times.
So the four most challenges I had to face on overcome on this journey had to do with media muscle and money. It proved harder for me to both get access on airtime and media. As a matter of fact the leading candidate appeared in broadcast media 87 times in the months leading up to the elections, whereas I appeared 31 times.
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And I am not saying media is doing this consciously. I think largely this has to do with unconscious bias. So I did face this but I will say this to complement the Icelandic media. I got few if any comments about my hair and pantsuit. So who does to them?
And I am not saying media is doing this consciously. I think largely this has to do with unconscious bias. So I did face this but I will say this to complement the Icelandic media. I got few if any comments about my hair and pantsuit. So who does to them?
29:35
We ran a positive campaign. We probably changed the tone of the election for others by doing that. But even with one third the media one-third the financial resources and only an entrepreneurial team we managed to surprise everyone on election night when the first numbers came in as a priced myself.
We ran a positive campaign. We probably changed the tone of the election for others by doing that. But even with one third the media one-third the financial resources and only an entrepreneurial team we managed to surprise everyone on election night when the first numbers came in as a priced myself.
30:01
So the first numbers I came in next to next to the leading candidate.
So the first numbers I came in next to next to the leading candidate.
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Who are leaving because I didn't fight pool that but I came in second and we went a long way from the 1% with nearly a third of the vote. I really is amazing.
Who are leaving because I didn't fight pool that but I came in second and we went a long way from the 1% with nearly a third of the vote. I really is amazing.
30:26
The biggest inspired you and then. And who knows how many children you you know, you may have inspired but you know as we know these changes don't happen overnight, you know, or were were not always realizing the impact these things have until 20 or 30 or 40 years later.
The biggest inspired you and then. And who knows how many children you you know, you may have inspired but you know as we know these changes don't happen overnight, you know, or were were not always realizing the impact these things have until 20 or 30 or 40 years later.
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No we're not and I I've thought a lot about how much role models matter because even in my country with her as president for 16 years, we then afterwards had a male president for 20 years and so after I ran a for president myself, I have volunteered teaching stinted my daughter's school and I asked all of these 13 year old boys and girls to draw some pictures for me.
No we're not and I I've thought a lot about how much role models matter because even in my country with her as president for 16 years, we then afterwards had a male president for 20 years and so after I ran a for president myself, I have volunteered teaching stinted my daughter's school and I asked all of these 13 year old boys and girls to draw some pictures for me.
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I told them I was coming in to talk about career choices and I asked them to please draw a picture of a president of an entrepreneur. And of a teacher all three things something I had achieved to be or had worked at myself. And so, they all draw a pictures and with you know, all the kids I went to many many classes and all of the kids with two exceptions drew a male president a male entrepreneur and a female teacher.
I told them I was coming in to talk about career choices and I asked them to please draw a picture of a president of an entrepreneur. And of a teacher all three things something I had achieved to be or had worked at myself. And so, they all draw a pictures and with you know, all the kids I went to many many classes and all of the kids with two exceptions drew a male president a male entrepreneur and a female teacher.
31:40
So this just tells us that even in the country that we generally considered to be leading the world when it comes to closing the gender gap and where we had there's amazing female president for 16 years all of us think of a man. When we think Of a leader.
So this just tells us that even in the country that we generally considered to be leading the world when it comes to closing the gender gap and where we had there's amazing female president for 16 years all of us think of a man. When we think Of a leader.
31:57
Yeah, but I'm. I mean I'm sure many girls and certainly Iceland were inspired by your campaign and there's a story that you even tell in your TED talk about this group of preschool girls who stopped to kiss a poster of you like you obviously made an impact on those girls.
Yeah, but I'm. I mean I'm sure many girls and certainly Iceland were inspired by your campaign and there's a story that you even tell in your TED talk about this group of preschool girls who stopped to kiss a poster of you like you obviously made an impact on those girls.
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Absolutely that when I went someone sent me that photo and I still don't know who the kids are or we even sent it but I was wearing the national soccer team jersey because we were playing the Euro cup at the time and these three little girls and a boy they're walking out there and they just see a need to kiss my picture and that picture.
Absolutely that when I went someone sent me that photo and I still don't know who the kids are or we even sent it but I was wearing the national soccer team jersey because we were playing the Euro cup at the time and these three little girls and a boy they're walking out there and they just see a need to kiss my picture and that picture.
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Of alone was enough of him for me I've really thought this makes such a difference and there were other wins like that and I've since had countless stories grandmothers have approached me in the airport and told me about how their daughters say they're gonna be presidents or say that they're gonna run for office because they saw me and I got incredible messages.
Of alone was enough of him for me I've really thought this makes such a difference and there were other wins like that and I've since had countless stories grandmothers have approached me in the airport and told me about how their daughters say they're gonna be presidents or say that they're gonna run for office because they saw me and I got incredible messages.
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I'm not just in Iceland, but I've actually received messages from women all over the world and so I think you can have impact in so many ways. I think you can win even if you don't become number one by just. Being there not acting like a man, but being there as a woman.
I'm not just in Iceland, but I've actually received messages from women all over the world and so I think you can have impact in so many ways. I think you can win even if you don't become number one by just. Being there not acting like a man, but being there as a woman.
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Hello Thomas daughter as of right now, she has not decided whether she's gonna run again, but she is mentoring a number of women in and out of Iceland to our interested in running for. Our entire talk at Ted.com. I'm sure today inspire to action ideas about building movements for change and in just a moment we're gonna hear from one researcher who are used while leaders with charisma are almost always more effective they challenged us that as quote that's the key ingredient they also engage in unconventional courageous behavior something that other people don't dare to do.
Hello Thomas daughter as of right now, she has not decided whether she's gonna run again, but she is mentoring a number of women in and out of Iceland to our interested in running for. Our entire talk at Ted.com. I'm sure today inspire to action ideas about building movements for change and in just a moment we're gonna hear from one researcher who are used while leaders with charisma are almost always more effective they challenged us that as quote that's the key ingredient they also engage in unconventional courageous behavior something that other people don't dare to do.
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How they express strong emotions and charisma essentially is in the eye of the beholder so whether someone is charismatic or not does not depend on some sort of objective criteria, it depends on what you see in them. And get rise and you're listening to the Ted radio hour from NPR.
How they express strong emotions and charisma essentially is in the eye of the beholder so whether someone is charismatic or not does not depend on some sort of objective criteria, it depends on what you see in them. And get rise and you're listening to the Ted radio hour from NPR.
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35:12
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It's the TED Radio Hour from NPR guy. Raj and on the show today ideas about the leaders and the movements that inspire us to take action and for Johannes, the key is Charisma. That's, What has been studying charismatic leaders for more than a decade. Ever since 2008 when he went to his speech Barack Obama gave in Berlin.
It's the TED Radio Hour from NPR guy. Raj and on the show today ideas about the leaders and the movements that inspire us to take action and for Johannes, the key is Charisma. That's, What has been studying charismatic leaders for more than a decade. Ever since 2008 when he went to his speech Barack Obama gave in Berlin.
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It was a very warm July day and I still vividly had moment when he walked up to that stage he took a while and he was waving and people were cheering and waking up. Thank you and for the times trying to especially make people. Small and in Germany, thank you for this extraordinarily warm, welcome.
It was a very warm July day and I still vividly had moment when he walked up to that stage he took a while and he was waving and people were cheering and waking up. Thank you and for the times trying to especially make people. Small and in Germany, thank you for this extraordinarily warm, welcome.
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And for thousands of years. People of this land of journey from tribe to principality to nation state. You know, you stories talk and I'm 200,000 people that gathered that afternoon place. It was so little movement. And I thought yeah, someone who is charismatic that person should share people option make people, you know, applaud rates their hand jump up and down do all of this energy stuff.
And for thousands of years. People of this land of journey from tribe to principality to nation state. You know, you stories talk and I'm 200,000 people that gathered that afternoon place. It was so little movement. And I thought yeah, someone who is charismatic that person should share people option make people, you know, applaud rates their hand jump up and down do all of this energy stuff.
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It only happens when the leader permits that right Paisley Virgo made a pause. Cheering for. And that's when we see the energy then it's when we see the jumping. And that afternoon it became evident in the person's standing next to me who offered a speech. I questioned a bit, you know, what was stuff she liked the most on and she was she was unable to record anything.
It only happens when the leader permits that right Paisley Virgo made a pause. Cheering for. And that's when we see the energy then it's when we see the jumping. And that afternoon it became evident in the person's standing next to me who offered a speech. I questioned a bit, you know, what was stuff she liked the most on and she was she was unable to record anything.
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She just said, you know, he's with he was amazing. It was awesome and so she didn't take away any detail. But who she did take away is that she wanted to go and vote and tell others about it. And it led me to discover something that I now called the awestruck effect.
She just said, you know, he's with he was amazing. It was awesome and so she didn't take away any detail. But who she did take away is that she wanted to go and vote and tell others about it. And it led me to discover something that I now called the awestruck effect.
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Yoheimer's picks up this idea from the dead stage. It is true that charismatic leaders instilled positive emotions, they make us feel great. Before of that narration and yet a little bit too shy to express it. In one word if you like we are or struck. Now, you may wonder okay, why is your effect important?
Yoheimer's picks up this idea from the dead stage. It is true that charismatic leaders instilled positive emotions, they make us feel great. Before of that narration and yet a little bit too shy to express it. In one word if you like we are or struck. Now, you may wonder okay, why is your effect important?
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When it turns out that psychologists have shown for many years that when people suppressed these freshmen of their emotion as they do in their old truck the intensity of the emotion increases inside of them, but they also suffer from a cotton if decrement and that means that they're less able to understand.
When it turns out that psychologists have shown for many years that when people suppressed these freshmen of their emotion as they do in their old truck the intensity of the emotion increases inside of them, but they also suffer from a cotton if decrement and that means that they're less able to understand.
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And memorize and scrutinize messages. So when they understood this stuff doesn't matter once they felt great about it once they felt confident they had something taken away they followed. And that means you followed very letting me just pop because of your fact. So, what is the connection between charisma?
And memorize and scrutinize messages. So when they understood this stuff doesn't matter once they felt great about it once they felt confident they had something taken away they followed. And that means you followed very letting me just pop because of your fact. So, what is the connection between charisma?
38:35
Inspiring people to take action. I think the charismatics or the one who are extremely good at inspiring action. Perhaps extremely good just add inspiring full stop whether they get people to engage in action is a second question. Yeah. I'm thinking of someone like, you know it Winston Churchill, for example, who is.
Inspiring people to take action. I think the charismatics or the one who are extremely good at inspiring action. Perhaps extremely good just add inspiring full stop whether they get people to engage in action is a second question. Yeah. I'm thinking of someone like, you know it Winston Churchill, for example, who is.
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Interested. Yeah, I have nothing you offer blood coil here and the charismatics use tactics in your speeches. The first thing is that they start out mirroring the type of emotions that are already prevalent in the audience everywhere in audio of the most weirdest guy. If I'm angry and the person steps on the stage and says, you know, I'm angry and so then I think oh that person feels like I did so that person may speak to me.
Interested. Yeah, I have nothing you offer blood coil here and the charismatics use tactics in your speeches. The first thing is that they start out mirroring the type of emotions that are already prevalent in the audience everywhere in audio of the most weirdest guy. If I'm angry and the person steps on the stage and says, you know, I'm angry and so then I think oh that person feels like I did so that person may speak to me.
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All of. The right way to feel and it creates confusion and of course confusion is the best companion for someone who wants to exert influence to offer an alternative interpretation. Yeah, and so in the last step typically what discourages me to do is they offer a new interpretation they also call us to action and say here's the path forward.
All of. The right way to feel and it creates confusion and of course confusion is the best companion for someone who wants to exert influence to offer an alternative interpretation. Yeah, and so in the last step typically what discourages me to do is they offer a new interpretation they also call us to action and say here's the path forward.
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I might really claim the this is what I want you to do come then let's do it together go forward together. We lie united straight.
I might really claim the this is what I want you to do come then let's do it together go forward together. We lie united straight.
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Now when I present this stuff then usually you know at some point a hand goes up and someone else weren't their leadership sort of steered anger hate and aggression. And we're in these sometimes charismatic leaders too. Yeah, I think not every charismatically has an all political motion as Obama had but it turns out that all charismatic leaders try to instill their followers with positive emotions.
Now when I present this stuff then usually you know at some point a hand goes up and someone else weren't their leadership sort of steered anger hate and aggression. And we're in these sometimes charismatic leaders too. Yeah, I think not every charismatically has an all political motion as Obama had but it turns out that all charismatic leaders try to instill their followers with positive emotions.
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But some still stir anger hate fear all of that stuff. They do so to target it to an outgroup. Some other people that are to blame for. Feelings here and so they push the emotion away from them that's relieving their own folks, they're all in group, they're all followers from these negative emotions creating a positive emotions there.
But some still stir anger hate fear all of that stuff. They do so to target it to an outgroup. Some other people that are to blame for. Feelings here and so they push the emotion away from them that's relieving their own folks, they're all in group, they're all followers from these negative emotions creating a positive emotions there.
40:52
It's us the great versus them. And inevitably the next 10 goes up and someone else. So Ken is actually explained why sometimes people follow charismatically as even if they lead them over the edge of the cliff. As they sure I mean, you know, if you're all struck you're not even notice that you're wondering towards the edge of the cliff, right?
It's us the great versus them. And inevitably the next 10 goes up and someone else. So Ken is actually explained why sometimes people follow charismatically as even if they lead them over the edge of the cliff. As they sure I mean, you know, if you're all struck you're not even notice that you're wondering towards the edge of the cliff, right?
41:13
The austrock effect make a smaller to bind to the wrong vision to be deserted by seemingly simple yet deeply flawed solutions and to ignore the moral deficiencies of charismatic leaders who appeal to our heart. I mean, there's a clear difference between dark charisma and an optimistic charisma. I mean, right?
The austrock effect make a smaller to bind to the wrong vision to be deserted by seemingly simple yet deeply flawed solutions and to ignore the moral deficiencies of charismatic leaders who appeal to our heart. I mean, there's a clear difference between dark charisma and an optimistic charisma. I mean, right?
41:37
There's a difference between Mussolini appealing to people's fears versus a leader who says like, you know, Franklin Roosevelt who says better days are ahead of. Going to seize the moment We all have the opportunity to be better people. I mean, that's a very different kind of charisma. Yeah, absolutely.
There's a difference between Mussolini appealing to people's fears versus a leader who says like, you know, Franklin Roosevelt who says better days are ahead of. Going to seize the moment We all have the opportunity to be better people. I mean, that's a very different kind of charisma. Yeah, absolutely.
41:55
I mean if it's appealing to positive motion, it's the more hopeful type of leadership. However, you know, if you look at these direct leaders that have brought about that things, they may start out with the negative but they do that to then imbue in their inner circle in their followers.
I mean if it's appealing to positive motion, it's the more hopeful type of leadership. However, you know, if you look at these direct leaders that have brought about that things, they may start out with the negative but they do that to then imbue in their inner circle in their followers.
42:11
A sense of a brighter future. So as a matter of caution, it might be wise to just double check. Is it making sense? Is it logically? Something that I can buy into You know when we think about great leaders at the last hundred or so years, you know, they all seem to have been charismatic people like Mandela or Churchill or Kennedy.
A sense of a brighter future. So as a matter of caution, it might be wise to just double check. Is it making sense? Is it logically? Something that I can buy into You know when we think about great leaders at the last hundred or so years, you know, they all seem to have been charismatic people like Mandela or Churchill or Kennedy.
42:34
Yeah, but then you know, sometimes you think about leaders who had very little charisma but we're actually quite effective like right like Dwight Eisenhower. So, I wonder whether leaders who have this positive charisma are better than leaders who have you know little or not. I think they're more powerful they're moving for lunch.
Yeah, but then you know, sometimes you think about leaders who had very little charisma but we're actually quite effective like right like Dwight Eisenhower. So, I wonder whether leaders who have this positive charisma are better than leaders who have you know little or not. I think they're more powerful they're moving for lunch.
42:54
They're more likely to inspire action. Whether they're necessarily a one who see through the action I sometimes wonder too Carries my is great to bring about a movement to getting as all inspired to walk out and do something but it's not sufficient to just establish yourself as a dreamer and someone who makes others feel good.
They're more likely to inspire action. Whether they're necessarily a one who see through the action I sometimes wonder too Carries my is great to bring about a movement to getting as all inspired to walk out and do something but it's not sufficient to just establish yourself as a dreamer and someone who makes others feel good.
43:16
It's also important to then deliver upon your results. So my take on it is yeah, you can be successful in other ways, but I think having someone at the top of a nation at a top of a business at the top of a team. Who can also make us feel great while we're doing something great is valuable in its own, right?
It's also important to then deliver upon your results. So my take on it is yeah, you can be successful in other ways, but I think having someone at the top of a nation at a top of a business at the top of a team. Who can also make us feel great while we're doing something great is valuable in its own, right?
43:40
You often megas is a researcher at the University of Cambridge. You can see his entire talk at Ted NPR.org on the show today inspire to action ideas on what it takes to start a movement and perhaps more importantly what it takes to keep that movement going. Mass movements always take people by surprise.
You often megas is a researcher at the University of Cambridge. You can see his entire talk at Ted NPR.org on the show today inspire to action ideas on what it takes to start a movement and perhaps more importantly what it takes to keep that movement going. Mass movements always take people by surprise.
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This is writer and activist. Naomi Klein, you know. The organizers will admit there's a certain magic to it of just like why this time and not last time you know. So I'm interested in that question why this time and not that time but but also because I've been around for a while and I I've seen some of these magical moments and I've seen them kind of disappear as quickly as they arose.
This is writer and activist. Naomi Klein, you know. The organizers will admit there's a certain magic to it of just like why this time and not last time you know. So I'm interested in that question why this time and not that time but but also because I've been around for a while and I I've seen some of these magical moments and I've seen them kind of disappear as quickly as they arose.
44:28
I've become increasingly interested in what keeps people in motion. The glue Here's Naomi Klein on the Ted Stage. And I'd say this is a pressing question these days because things are pretty shocking out there. And now there's no shortage of people who are sounding the alarm. But as a society, I don't think we can honestly say that we're responding with anything like the urgency that these overlapping crises demand from us.
I've become increasingly interested in what keeps people in motion. The glue Here's Naomi Klein on the Ted Stage. And I'd say this is a pressing question these days because things are pretty shocking out there. And now there's no shortage of people who are sounding the alarm. But as a society, I don't think we can honestly say that we're responding with anything like the urgency that these overlapping crises demand from us.
45:01
And yet we know from history that it is possible for crisis to catalyze a kind of evolutionary leap. And one of the most striking examples of this progressive power of crisis is the great crash of 1929, and this was taken by many as a message that the system itself was broken and many people listened and they left into action.
And yet we know from history that it is possible for crisis to catalyze a kind of evolutionary leap. And one of the most striking examples of this progressive power of crisis is the great crash of 1929, and this was taken by many as a message that the system itself was broken and many people listened and they left into action.
45:29
Now these reforms were far from perfect in the US African-American workers immigrants and women were. Largely excluded. But the depression period along with the transformation of Adelaide nations and economies during the World War. Two effort show us that it is possible for complex societies to rapidly transform themselves in the face of a collective threat.
Now these reforms were far from perfect in the US African-American workers immigrants and women were. Largely excluded. But the depression period along with the transformation of Adelaide nations and economies during the World War. Two effort show us that it is possible for complex societies to rapidly transform themselves in the face of a collective threat.
45:55
Now if that's really what it took and why isn't it working anymore? Why do today's nonstop shocks? Why don't they spur us into action? So this is the question that's a question I asked Simon Sinek earlier in the show because it seems like people are really upset about a lot of these global crises, but it's they're not nothing seems to be changing.
Now if that's really what it took and why isn't it working anymore? Why do today's nonstop shocks? Why don't they spur us into action? So this is the question that's a question I asked Simon Sinek earlier in the show because it seems like people are really upset about a lot of these global crises, but it's they're not nothing seems to be changing.
46:22
So what what's the missing element now? Well, I think that the real missing ingredient or one of them has to do with you know, what I would call the utopian imagination of of not just a horror and rejection at something that we're seeing now, but it actual articulated vision of the world we want instead.
So what what's the missing element now? Well, I think that the real missing ingredient or one of them has to do with you know, what I would call the utopian imagination of of not just a horror and rejection at something that we're seeing now, but it actual articulated vision of the world we want instead.
46:44
And I think that previous generations of activists organizers, you know for better and worse had that utopian vision of the world they wanted instead, they didn't identify as I am an environmental activist. I am a women's rights activist. I am a civil rights activist. It was more like I'm a revolutionary.
And I think that previous generations of activists organizers, you know for better and worse had that utopian vision of the world they wanted instead, they didn't identify as I am an environmental activist. I am a women's rights activist. I am a civil rights activist. It was more like I'm a revolutionary.
47:04
I am not just resisting what I don't want I know the world I want instead and I think that it's in that interplay between a vision of the world we want instead and a horror in the face of what our current system is producing. That both catalyzes people into movement and keeps them in the movement because the posture of rejection of of enoughness of no is a powerful catalyst to bring people in the streets but it's it's an exhausting posture to maintain and I think part of the burnout comes from the fact that what sustains people in struggle is that hope of what what there could be instead.
I am not just resisting what I don't want I know the world I want instead and I think that it's in that interplay between a vision of the world we want instead and a horror in the face of what our current system is producing. That both catalyzes people into movement and keeps them in the movement because the posture of rejection of of enoughness of no is a powerful catalyst to bring people in the streets but it's it's an exhausting posture to maintain and I think part of the burnout comes from the fact that what sustains people in struggle is that hope of what what there could be instead.
47:45
Rejection alone. I think turns toxic. And and is just exhausting. It's fight or flight. You can't stay in fight or flight forever. We are living at a time of extraordinary political engagements politics is a massive session. And yet this still doesn't add up to the kind of holistic and universalist vision of a different world that our predecessors had.
Rejection alone. I think turns toxic. And and is just exhausting. It's fight or flight. You can't stay in fight or flight forever. We are living at a time of extraordinary political engagements politics is a massive session. And yet this still doesn't add up to the kind of holistic and universalist vision of a different world that our predecessors had.
48:12
So, why is that? Well, very often we think about political change in defined compartments these days Environment in one box inequality in another racial and gender justice in a couple of other boxes education over here health over there. And within each compartment there are thousands upon thousands of different groups and NGOs each competing with one another for credit name recognition and of course resources.
So, why is that? Well, very often we think about political change in defined compartments these days Environment in one box inequality in another racial and gender justice in a couple of other boxes education over here health over there. And within each compartment there are thousands upon thousands of different groups and NGOs each competing with one another for credit name recognition and of course resources.
48:44
So for instance the people fighting poverty and inequality rarely talk about climate change even though we see time and again that is the poorest of people who are the most vulnerable to extreme weather. The climate change people rarely talk about war and occupation, even though we know that the thirst for fossil fuels has been a major driver of conflict.
So for instance the people fighting poverty and inequality rarely talk about climate change even though we see time and again that is the poorest of people who are the most vulnerable to extreme weather. The climate change people rarely talk about war and occupation, even though we know that the thirst for fossil fuels has been a major driver of conflict.
49:06
The environmental movement has gotten better at pointing out that the nations that are getting hit hardest by climate change are populated overwhelmingly by black and brown people. But when black lives are treated as disposable in prisons in schools and on the streets these connections are too rarely made. When it comes to to building a sustainable movement is about sort of breaking down these compartments that you describe and then trying to connect all these different groups and issues.
The environmental movement has gotten better at pointing out that the nations that are getting hit hardest by climate change are populated overwhelmingly by black and brown people. But when black lives are treated as disposable in prisons in schools and on the streets these connections are too rarely made. When it comes to to building a sustainable movement is about sort of breaking down these compartments that you describe and then trying to connect all these different groups and issues.
49:41
I think it is and I think that over the past 30 years there has been this process of extreme professionalization of activism where we carve the world into these single issue silos and then people get funding based on which silo they're in and it makes movements more and, Inclined to set out very compartmentalized achievable wins that they can then go back to their funders and saying look we want right.
I think it is and I think that over the past 30 years there has been this process of extreme professionalization of activism where we carve the world into these single issue silos and then people get funding based on which silo they're in and it makes movements more and, Inclined to set out very compartmentalized achievable wins that they can then go back to their funders and saying look we want right.
50:15
But if you're talking about deep systemic change, whether it's you know in the face of systemic racism or whether it's in the face of climate change or whether it's in the face of economic inequality, you're not going to get that easy win. You know, it's going to take decades.
But if you're talking about deep systemic change, whether it's you know in the face of systemic racism or whether it's in the face of climate change or whether it's in the face of economic inequality, you're not going to get that easy win. You know, it's going to take decades.
50:30
When you think about all of these? Enormous challenges these generational challenges these civilizational challenges that the human race faces are you optimistic? I mean, do you think that we will actually rise to these challenges and and build the movements require to overcome them? I have good days and bad days on that question.
When you think about all of these? Enormous challenges these generational challenges these civilizational challenges that the human race faces are you optimistic? I mean, do you think that we will actually rise to these challenges and and build the movements require to overcome them? I have good days and bad days on that question.
50:56
Think about the state. Of you know if. Then what is the future look like for my five-year-old son? It's so unacceptable. It is so dangerous.
Think about the state. Of you know if. Then what is the future look like for my five-year-old son? It's so unacceptable. It is so dangerous.
51:13
Possible to step aside and just make some room. You know, one of the things you realize is there is a natural regeneration in in social movements when when young people come in who? Have not experienced as many disappointments and setbacks and they're raring to go and refuse to accept no for an answer and impossible for an answer.
Possible to step aside and just make some room. You know, one of the things you realize is there is a natural regeneration in in social movements when when young people come in who? Have not experienced as many disappointments and setbacks and they're raring to go and refuse to accept no for an answer and impossible for an answer.
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I see that in the way the Parkland teens responded to challenges that they're movement only represented a narrow experience of gun violence and didn't get defensive and and listened and are creating helping to create a more diverse movement. I'm seeing a generation come up not just with more energy.
I see that in the way the Parkland teens responded to challenges that they're movement only represented a narrow experience of gun violence and didn't get defensive and and listened and are creating helping to create a more diverse movement. I'm seeing a generation come up not just with more energy.
52:03
And optimism but with a seemingly a greater capacity to break down silos involve, listen, you know, that gives me hope that they're they're dreaming again. They're not afraid of big ideas and I take tremendous hope from that.
And optimism but with a seemingly a greater capacity to break down silos involve, listen, you know, that gives me hope that they're they're dreaming again. They're not afraid of big ideas and I take tremendous hope from that.
52:23
Activist and journalist Naomi Klein, you can find her full talk at Ted.com.
Activist and journalist Naomi Klein, you can find her full talk at Ted.com.
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Shah. Chris Anderson, you've been listening to ideas worth spreading right here on the TED. Radio. Hour from NPR.
Shah. Chris Anderson, you've been listening to ideas worth spreading right here on the TED. Radio. Hour from NPR.
Transcripted by: H. A. M. Fahim Kabir
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